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Change is a big word, but can refer to small changes. So in that respect I agree, but you can't change reality. You can change your own perception of reality, but that doesn't make it real.

Nevertheless, you can influence moods and get a lot of energy from visualising and thinking about stuff differently.

Posted by: Pixelstyle on 06 Mar 2009 | 10:12 am

The stone example is easily tested:

Put three people in a room. Throw a stone up in the air. If this works and all three believe in it, the stone will stay up in the air. Now a while later a fourth person comes into the room. If he sees the stone lying on the ground the theory doesn't work. If the stone falls down at that moment, it did.

Posted by: Pixelstyle on 06 Mar 2009 | 10:16 am

Changing reality by merely (collective) thought? A step too far for me... Reality just is the way it is. The way we all experience it may be different. Although the hypnosis example is interesting! Another example: the Shaolin monks who do things everyone else thinks are impossible.

Posted by: robinhoed on 06 Mar 2009 | 12:28 pm

@Pixelstyle: Thanks for your comments.

The experiment with the stone is not very easy. To have people REALLY believe that a stone could float you have to really change the way they perceive the world. And we ALL would have to believe it. Because we all are part of one big consciousness.

PS Do you know of the experiment during which a couple of men increased their biceps by just thinking of doing the needed exercises?

Posted by: Fresh Creation on 06 Mar 2009 | 03:30 pm

@devliegendeamsterdammer: Reality is just the way it is? And what about the drops in criminal behaviour because big groups of people were meditating in that area. They did that same experiment in different locations. The results were the same everywhere.

Posted by: Fresh Creation on 06 Mar 2009 | 03:32 pm

@fresh, don't know how that works exactly... But when there is less crime because of meditation then that IS reality, isn't it? And that is something completely different then floating stones.

(By the way, this post also makes me think: The Matrix!)

Posted by: robinhoed on 06 Mar 2009 | 04:17 pm

@FC I don't mean it's easy to do, but easy to check.

I'd like to see links to descriptions of those experiments before I can follow the logic. I'm fairly sceptical in this (no offense). Good experiments are executed in an environment where all variables can be controlled. Most of these experiments leave many loose ends and details are often scarce.

One of the meditation experiments was executed by a trancedental meditation school in 1993. Not really an independent researcher. New York Times also found out that crime rates were always differing strongly from week to week and from month to month. Murder figures didn't decrease at all during the meditation times.

Posted by: Pixelstyle on 06 Mar 2009 | 04:26 pm

"If you throw a stone up in the air you expect it to go down at some point. We call that gravity. But if we all really believed that the stone would continue to float in the air forever, what would happen then?"

It would still fall down. Even better: it is fairly easy to calculate at what speed and in what time it would reach the floor. It's called gravity, indeed.

Posted by: GoeroeJossie on 06 Mar 2009 | 09:51 pm

I have two things to share...

1) An infant in the womb spends 95% of it's time "dreaming". What is it dreaming about? Perhaps our minds are "programmed" during this time, so we emerge into a world that matches "reality"? Perhaps we are using our minds to "dream reality" into existence for ourselves (watch "Perception: The Reality Beyond Matter" on Youtube for more about this possibility). I don't know, these are just theories.

2.) If we really are "one human being", sharing a collective consciousness from billions of different points of view, what are the implications of that for our "individual" lives? Also, there is some evidence that the universe is a holographic projection...who or what is doing the "projecting"? Also, in a hologram, each "part" is a mirror of the whole. If one person changes their "mind", how does this effect the whole?

These are questions being asked right now. The answers will likely shape the future of human consciousness, as well as technology and society.

It could be alot bigger than gravity (which, BTW, science still hasn't "proven" exists!)

Posted by: amindwheart on 07 Mar 2009 | 01:20 am

@GoeroeJossie: You don't know that for sure.

@amindwheart: Thanks for adding your comment.
Tomorrow I will post the video you were referring to.

Posted by: Fresh Creation on 08 Mar 2009 | 08:11 pm

There is another hypothesis that could also be true. Maybe everything is happening in the dream of a dog. ;-)

Posted by: janvdweel on 09 Mar 2009 | 10:23 am

@janvdweel: Please try to add comments that really add something to the discussion. Thanks.

Posted by: Fresh Creation on 09 Mar 2009 | 10:53 am

@Fresh Creation When you wrote. What if reality is a dream we all believe in? I thought.. Then who's dreaming? It very much should be something and it could even be a dog. So that's why i wrote about the dog. I think neither hypothesis are true. But unfortunately we can't prove or falsify neither of them. In the meantime i just try to see realilty just how it is, without interpretation.

Posted by: janvdweel on 09 Mar 2009 | 11:17 am

@janvdweel: Thanks for explaining your view.

Seeing reality without interpretation is already a huge step that is hard to accomplish. I know I still add interpretations all the time, though the number of times is decreasing and I catch myself interpreting a lot sooner.

I do believe that we are all part of one consciousness. Lately I have been experiencing things that I can't ignore and that point out that we are all energy in motion and that something higher than me is giving me directions in life.

Posted by: Fresh Creation on 09 Mar 2009 | 12:01 pm

Let Just say that I am SO glad you've started this post. I recently have been using certain Shaman technologies and one in particular Salvia Divinorum reminds me of your post.

You see, through Salvia I was able to see the "One Consciousness" that was really made up by every one here. I experienced that individually, every one thinks that they are themselves and not interconnected. but taking a step back reveals that we ALL are ONE and One are ALL.
In short I agree with what you say. Reality CAN be changed. Everywhere I've read it's the same; Change your mind, Change your reality. Impossible is nothing if you believe it so.

Posted by: leodavid on 09 Mar 2009 | 04:01 pm

@leodavid: I hadn't heard of the Shaman technologies before you mentioned them.

Salvia Divinorum is a kind of drug, or not?

Posted by: Fresh Creation on 09 Mar 2009 | 07:36 pm

this whole new age spiritual thing here on fresh creation started with "what the bleep do we know" didn't it? i miss the inspiration for which i used to visit this site.

next you're going to tell me you dont believe in evolution but rather that we designed ourselves. auto-creationism.

arguing though is pointless i guess seeing as amindwheart actually doubts the existence of gravity despite his daily experience with it. prefering to believe in foetusses dreaming themselves into existence. why not believe in the world of fae, jack and the beanstalk or that my cat Ciui is actually god? Or that the internet spagheti monster is out to get you.

@leodavid, salvia is a powerfull psychotropic drugs. the fact that you experienced strange things on it doesn't surprise me, but you really should take youre hallucinations with a grain of salt, instead of as divine revelation. Shamans couldn't explain this modern science can, would you rather believe in fairy tales or be rational?

Posted by: thigis on 09 Mar 2009 | 09:26 pm

@thigis: Thanks for your comment.

Recently Fresh Creation has made a shift 'topic-wise':
http://www.freshcreation.com/entry/fresh_creation_changes_its_focus/

This means that the inspiration in forms, which is what you were used to, will not play a big role here anymore. Instead I'm focusing on inspiration in ideas. Inspiration that will make you aware of new ideas, concepts, of true creativity and new ways of looking at the world. If that's not your thing (yet) then I'm inviting you to open your mind. If you don't want to, then that's okay too. Just respect the fact that people can have other views than you. There's no need to ridicule these views. Thanks.

Posted by: Fresh Creation on 09 Mar 2009 | 09:53 pm

I don't mind an occasional 'New Age Spiritual/Religious' post, but I think it should be a Fresh (and inspiring) Creation at least. Not all posts from the past weeks cover that (IMHO).

It looks like this site is suddenly exploring all there is from Quantummechanics to Lucid dreaming. Maybe the title of the site just doesn't cover the content anymore?

Posted by: robinhoed on 10 Mar 2009 | 06:14 pm

@ FC: Yes, Salvia is a drug. In fact, it is legal in most states and is a cousin of the mint herb. A treasure trove of information about this and many other Psychotropics can be found @ www.Erowid.org.

@ Thigis: I agree that arguing is pointless, however there is nothing wrong with asking to try and understand where the other person is coming from.

To answer your question, I subscribe to the thought that in this "Rational" world (which I'm sure you'll agree, is far from rational) there is room for magic. All one has to do is Believe. Think of it as Neo, when he finally believes he's the "One". How different was his reality/world when he made the choice to believe? Even in the world OUTSIDE the matrix he still had his powers. Now apply that to the whole world and you'll have magic.
I understand though that it is a personal choice... You can only be shown the door. It is you who must walk through it.

Just to clear something up; I don't use Allies/drugs for recreational use. Most times people tend to discount anything someone says when they say they've taken drugs.
Yes, there are people who've taken them irresponsibly, without moderation, and without consideration as to how it will affect them and their loved ones etc... so they abuse them and end up lost.
But if you seek inner enlightment plant/shaman technology is just ONE path of many.
Here in the Western culture though, the irresponsible use of them has caused people to demonize them and the government to capitalize on punishing people who try to explore the depths of themselves and the world around them.

That being said I hope I've answered your question...

Posted by: leodavid on 10 Mar 2009 | 07:40 pm

@thigis

Hi there,

just want to point out quickly the exact words in my previous post:

"These are questions being asked right now. The answers will likely shape the future of human consciousness, as well as technology and society.

It could be alot bigger than gravity (which, BTW, science still hasn't "proven" exists!)"

The reality of the situation is that we still don't know what gravity is, even though we can (and do) experience its effects every day. The same can be said for much of our physical experience.

There's a new book out called "The Invention of Air"... it examines the history of human thought regarding that "invisible stuff" that surrounds all of us, but cannot be seen or touched (although we can feel it as wind and breath). People used to argue that air was not really there, that there was nothing but empty space between solid "things".

Anyway, what I would like to point out is that there will always be a threshold of misunderstanding, resistance, and disbelief as we cross over into new levels of awareness and understanding. But if no one is brave enough to venture out, and sometimes be "wrong", then we would not have the wonderful life and technological wealth we enjoy today.

It's OK to be skeptical, but fortunately for all of us human curiosity and ingenuity seems to be insatiable and we all benefit from it, now and in the future.

And that's what I see in this website...

Thanks FC, and keep it up!

Posted by: amindwheart on 10 Mar 2009 | 07:42 pm

I am a rationalist. Seeing is believing: I do not believe in God, the Spaghetti Monster, withches or any universal human conciousness or whatever. I need scientific proof. If proof is not available, I can deal with working theories, models etc. Like gravity.

But I agree, for some this works the other way around. Believing = seeing. If you are not a catholic, you will never have a divine appearance of Maria. If you believe that the entire world is a dream, you will certainly find convenient 'proof'.

God does not exist, but religion does.

Posted by: GoeroeJossie on 10 Mar 2009 | 10:14 pm

@GoeroeJossie: I used to be a 'rationalist' too. I needed hard proof or I wouldn't want to hear anything about it. That is why I was open to Buddhism and meditation. Both ask you to try things yourself and see what it will bring you. This made a huge difference for me. Now I look at the world in a different way. Because I have gone through experiences myself. Which I have felt or come to realize. No models, no scientific proof, just me and what I feel. For me there's no 'harder proof' than that. ;-)

Posted by: Fresh Creation on 11 Mar 2009 | 01:53 pm

I think I like the older content better and it was more ‘fresh’. This new version of the site claims to be focusing on inspiration in ideas. “Inspiration that will make you aware of new ideas, concepts, of true creativity and new ways of looking at the world.” This is so vague that almost everything can be discussed: from lucid dreams, aliens, drugs, science, to shaman gods. And these aren’t real fresh ideas, most are quite old.

To be short, I think you need to narrow down the subject so it becomes clear or stop using patronizing remarks as “Please try to add comments that really add something to the discussion” if someone comments about the dogs dream. Or label topics: ‘science’ or ‘new age’ for example. Because they don’t mix well.

Back to this subject: changing reality. What if you were badly hurt in accident? Just ‘think’ you’ve not lost your leg (like the hypnosis lemon/peach example) and you are cured? Or you realize you never lost your leg and walk around like nothing happened?

Posted by: jeee on 11 Mar 2009 | 04:34 pm

jeee has a point.
more focus will make things clear! ;-)
and the label suggestion makes sense also.

Posted by: robinhoed on 12 Mar 2009 | 12:19 pm

You're saying reality is a dream. However, the dream is incomplete and certain details are missing. Why are we not being visited by aliens from outer space right now? In Enrico Fermi's words, "Where are they?" Perhaps they haven't been included in this dream.

Posted by: Mike Parus on 19 Feb 2010 | 10:33 pm

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